Good Design, Now What?

by on 11th March 2009 with 18 Comments

Here at Design Shack, we’ve built up a solid archive of the best designs the web has to offer. When browsing through the 3,000+ sites featured, it’s hard to fully grasp the amount of time and effort put into the design and development of each one.

That’s why it breaks my heart when I see a brilliant site screenshot taken the day it was launched, but when clicking to visit the live version, I find a shell of what it used to be.

It’s not our fault.

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The site we delivered didn’t have that cluttered home page, confusing expanded navigation bar, or that insanely huge logo. All that work done in carefully considering user experience and overall design aesthetic has been picked apart by a committee with as many different web agendas as members. Why on earth would someone pay good money for solid design and development, only to turnaround and dismantle what has been put in place in a few short months.

Actually, maybe it is.

It is hard to be committed to educating clients. Things rarely sink in the first time, you want to make them happy, and you have to make good use of the time for which they are paying you. While there are occasions when you’ll simply be out voted, out numbered or straight up out of time, there are a few things you can do.

Set the right tone.

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Do you want to be hired as the micromanaged grunt worker or the trusted expert with the skill set clients need? It’s easy to get into saying yes to whatever clients think they need at the beginning in order to give a good first impression or sell your services. They may like you as a yes man or woman, but I promise you they won’t respect you. It’s usually not because they are jerks, it’s because you haven’t earned it. Don’t be afraid to assert your opinions and establish a good working relationship. They’ll learn to trust you, and if you take the time to explain why and educate them about what websites need to be, you just might be looking at a long term business relationship where you are consulting and managing aspects of the site yourself.

Tell the truth, immediately.

Put your time into design and code, and try to avoid spending your time writing an overly-gentle email fielding suggestions or trying to incorporate bad ideas into your layout. While being nice and compromising are part of the collective creative process, it’s always good to be as efficient and to-the-point as you can.

When choosing or building a CMS, limitations are great.

I am pleased to say that we’ve always drawn a hard line on this. Half of the time we are hired for redesigns, it is because the staff or web administrator has too much access. Hot pink comic sans text and a quadrupled number of pages added to the site map happen all too often. As designers, we are branding their online content and architecting a user experience. Don’t give them the keys to the castle. I find it is fairly easy to convince clients of this when you talk about saving money regarding the increased longevity of their new site design. No one wants to have to pay for a redesign every year.

Be aware that sites can degrade quickly.

I opened up a psd version of a site I was involved in building last year and gave myself 5 minutes to degrade it. Check out the original here and the degraded version here. After carrying out a handful of common mistakes I’ve seen in site management, I was honestly horrified at how easy it was to ruin the layout. If you see a site even partially take a turn for the worse, speak up!

Good Luck.

To quote a friend of mine who is a farmer, “The only thing that is certain is hardship.” Clients will always be tough to deal with, but if you put time and effort into building an honest & communicative relationship, there is a good chance it will pay off in the long run.

Comments & Discussion

18 Comments

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  • http://dtsn.co.uk Daniel

    Great article, it really explains what kind of abuse our designs are facing everyday!

  • http://furyus.cc shae

    Excellent post, i appreciate the example (before/after) site.. I’ve seen that happen WAY to many times with my designs.

  • http://www.nwesource.com Charles M.

    Great article – really touched home. I recently had a client walk on me from do this do that perspective – not cool. That and it is tough to combat the client’s ideas of what they think looks good when it doesn’t – and this gives us a baseline to work from to get through that. Thank you for great content.

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  • http://hambodevelopment.com Steven Hambleton

    WYSIWYG and modules like TinyMCE can ruin a site if not administered correctly.

    I prefer to use an article based CMS and give them publishing options that won’t break my carefully considered site design!

  • http://paraveldesign.com Trent

    @steven Hambleton: couldn’t agree more. Now if we could keep clients from typing 3+ line article titles!

  • bharat negi

    Excellent post, i appreciate the example (before/after) site.. I’ve seen that happen WAY to many times with my designs.

  • http://arraystudio.com tomcanji

    Great post. Makes me realize some of the mistakes I make on daily basis

  • http://crazypathan.com Zia

    That saved me from making further mistakes.. Thanks alot.

  • http://www.designfridge.co.uk jimram

    “Tell the truth, immediately” – This is so important, its an approach we’ve recently adopted at our studio and clients seem to appreciate being challenged with a different opinion.

    If you dont stand up for your corner and take control then you’ll only end up getting frustrated when you start pixel pushing

  • http://mpbsoftware.com John Weis

    that was really encouraging…

  • http://www.la-va.com Pete

    a site should not teach a user – in my opinion, a fast and easy navigation is the most important part of a good website – of course the content should fit the this navigation…

  • drew

    Pictures on the web are all the same resolution. Do you mean it’s been scaled up? Also, the before picture looks disturbingly like a burning cross.

  • http://rareformbranding.com Joseph Hedges

    There is a vital skill required by all designers, the art of selling via a logical rational that makes senese and adds confidence to the client, scene setting that builds expectation and understanding and then theres honesty… it will always show.

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  • http://www.vakuumtuete.com Vakuumierer

    Excellent post, thanks a lot.

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    nursingstudent78 Nov 14, 09, 01:27PM | #1
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    Yep, I’ve just figured out that I picked the wrong company to help me with my thesis.

    I JUST got a reply from my writer and either he’s pissed at me or he’s from a far, far away land. Here’s what I got in reply, copied and pasted:

    From: Writer
    To: Me
    Date↓: 14 Nov – 12:52 AM

    Hello,
    Im writing your paper and will upload it in time.
    Thank you

    Now, is it just me or is this person an Idiot?
    This is my “WRITER”??
    Or is he pissed at me?

    He could have at least Attempted proper grammar. Come on, I can see someone making a “typo”, but THAT sentence, (i.e., “Im writing your paper and will upload it in time.”) What the crap does that mean??

    Im= I’m
    and will upload it in time= and I will have it uploaded ON time, OR even and I should/will have it uploaded in due time.

    I’m not an English major, nor am I a grammatical expert by far, but surely this person is not an expert for an English Literature paper! Also, I’ve spoke to two different “representatives” for this company and got two different answers on where this person is from. Needless, to say I’m screwed!

    So, is anybody on here an expert in giving a critical analysis of a piece of Aristotle’s work??
    MLA, 8 pages with 5 secondary sources.
    WRT Company Representative Nov 14, 09, 01:42PM | #2
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    nursingstudent78:
    So, is anybody on here an expert in giving a critical analysis of a piece of Aristotle’s work??

    Don’t do that to yourself :( Yes, there are several qualified writers here but, you are now going to be PM’ed to death.

    It is best that you pick the writer, using your own judgement.
    arthurtengi Nov 14, 09, 01:42PM | #3
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    lol, many people do not know about this forum and just google “essay writing ” and get scammed by non american frauders
    nursingstudent78 Nov 14, 09, 01:57PM | #4
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    I welcome any and all inquiries at this point. I have been taught a valuable lesson here. I just wish I found this forum sooner. :((

    Should I take my 70% refund and run, or should I wait it out and see the results? If I do wait it out, which I’m quite sure by now the work is going to be unacceptable, what are my chances of getting a full refund if the work is absurd? Like I said, I’m a novice and have no idea how this process is going to flow.
    WritersBeware Edited by: WritersBeware Nov 14, 09, 02:11PM | #5

    nursingstudent78:
    70% refund

    That’s all I need to know. is a disgusting ripoff site from Ukraine.
    WRT Company Representative Nov 14, 09, 02:21PM | #6
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    WritersBeware:
    That’s all I need to know. is disgusting ripoff site from Ukraine.

    :) You really do know your stuff!
    nursingstudent78 Nov 14, 09, 02:26PM | #7
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    No, it is not it’s actually

    But either way, my stomach is in knots about this.
    WritersBeware Edited by: WritersBeware Nov 14, 09, 02:29PM | #8

    nursingstudent78:
    No, it is not it’s actually

    The same guy in Ukraine owns

    WRT:
    :) You really do know your stuff!

    Thanks. I try. I must admit, however, that offering only a 70% refund to defrauded customers is difficult to forget.
    WRT Company Representative Nov 14, 09, 02:35PM | #9
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    nursingstudent78:
    it’s actually

    Why on earth would you ever do business with a company whose writers are “spiritually rewarded” for their work!

    Are we really supposed to believe that they have written, and delivered, close to 600,000 researches?
    nursingstudent78 Nov 14, 09, 02:35PM | #10
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    OH..that is just great. I’m gonna cry.

    So, as to my original question: Should I take my partial refund and run, or wait it out and risk not getting squat? In other-words, do I even have a chance to get a full refund? I have been lied to, and I HIGHLY doubt there is even a so called “writer” assigned.
    pheelyks Nov 14, 09, 02:35PM | #11

    Contact your credit card company and start a dispute proceeding now. It’s your best and quickest option.
    WritersBeware Nov 14, 09, 02:38PM | #12

    Ordering from those sites is like going sky diving without a parachute and wondering if you’re going to get hurt.
    WRT Company Representative Nov 14, 09, 02:40PM | #13
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    DO NOT settle for 70%. Pheelyks is right; contact your credit card company ASAP. Don’t wait and DO NOT rely on them. Their webcopy screams “WE ARE LIARS!”
    nursingstudent78 Nov 14, 09, 02:45PM | #14
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    Well, to a person like me who is ignorant to this stuff, I thought it sounded good.

    I was wrong about that, obviously.
    Oh, what the heck, maybe I will luck up and by some chance I got a writer who is an English Lit expert! (trying to be optimistic, haha)

    I wonder if I could just get somebody to professionally edit my paper? I have my research done and some written already.
    WRT Company Representative Nov 14, 09, 02:47PM | #15
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    nursingstudent78:
    I wonder if I could just get somebody to professionally edit my paper?

    Yes. This time, please choose a reputable company. There are quite a few.
    nursingstudent78 Nov 14, 09, 02:54PM | #16
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    Alrighty..that’s what I’ll do then.

    Thank you so much for all your help. Looks like I’m going to be up for the next 48 hours STRAIGHT. Wish me luck!~
    WRT Company Representative Nov 14, 09, 02:58PM | #17
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    nursingstudent78:
    Wish me luck!~

    Good Luck. You can do it!
    nursingstudent78 Nov 15, 09, 03:17AM | #18
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    I cannot believe the audacity of this place!

    I’m fuming right now. I just got off the phone with them once again. First off, earlier today I called on two separate occasions to ask where my writer was from, and I was given a different answer both times. Liars! Then I called to demand a refund because my writer couldn’t even type ONE sentence correctly, the ONLY sentence I’ve seen thus far. Amongst the lies and misrepresentation, I’m offered a 70% refund and a 5% discount on a future order? I even offered to accept a 90% refund but they were not having that.

    In regards to my conversation a few minutes ago, I first talk to this one guy. I ask him if I could speak to his supervisor. He says there are no supervisors there to speak with. We go on with the conversation. After a couple of minutes of getting nowhere with my case, he says “I’m not in authority to give you more than a 70% refund”. So I say, that’s why I need to talk to the person who IS. He places me on hold for a second and this woman comes on the line. I say, are you the supervisor? She tells me YES! Liars, once again!! How many strikes is that now??? I can’t keep count anymore. So, I’m pleading my case to this woman, and of course I point out all of the misleading information I’ve been given up to this point. Oh, and I also had to point out the LIE I was told about there being no supervisor present, or maybe she was just lying about BEING a super. Who knows? Either way, another misrepresentation by this company. I tell her I did not pay to get lied to and mislead, if I had known the writer couldn’t type the one and only sentence I see from him, I wouldn’t have signed up for this!

    Now here is the best part (and you won’t believe it but it’s true):
    I swear this woman said this to me! “We are not getting paid to tell the truth, we are getting paid to produce the paper”. Her words exactly. Isn’t a business relationship built on trust? Isn’t trust and honesty fundamental for a thriving company? Isn’t customer satisfaction THE most important thing? DUH. Whatever, I will plaster them all over the internet now and chalk this up as a learning experience.

    Now I’m concerned because I did pay with my debit card. I’m just not quite sure how to go about disputing this because I’ve never been in this situation before. I know if I had used a credit card this would be no problem. I think it’s different for debit transactions, isn’t it?
    WRT Company Representative Nov 15, 09, 03:35AM | #19
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    nursingstudent78:
    I swear this woman said this to me! “We are not getting paid to tell the truth, we are getting paid to produce the paper”.

    No comment as there really is nothing to say …
    nursingstudent78:
    Whatever, I will plaster them all over the internet now and chalk this up as a learning experience.
    All fine and dandy as long as you do not settle for 70% or allow this to become an EXPENSIVE learning experience. Contact their payment processor and cancel the transaction. Tell them that you did not receive the product paid for. They will probably reverse the charge.
    nursingstudent78 Nov 15, 09, 12:11PM | #20
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    Apparently I do not have the option now. I woke this morning to an e-mail they sent me overnight saying they refunded 70% of my funds, which I specifically told them would be unacceptable.

    It’s quite obvious they had no confidence in their product. If they did, they would of completed the order and maybe by some chance after I saw he paper, I would have a change of heart. I told them I did not want a refund if it was only going to be a partial one!! (I bet there was never even a writer)

    This payment processing company they use, i’m not familiar with. But I will look into it.
    pheelyks Edited by: pheelyks Nov 15, 09, 12:22PM | #21

    When you pay with a debit card online, it’s usually processed as a credit card transaction (your debit card has a Visa or Mastercard logo, right?). If so, it is still fully possible to dispute the charge. The fact that they gave you a seventy percent refund actually helps your case–they kept part of your money and won’t be delivering a product, which means they have no leg to stand on.

    Call the 800 number on the back of your card immediately and start the dispute process. Explain that you attempted to purchase some research that the company subsequently informed you they could not adequately provide, and that they kept 30% of your money. If they haven’t already put the 70% back into your account, make sure to insist that the entire charge be reversed.

    Not only will doing this likely result in a full refund to you, but it will help other customers in the future–the more people complain about these companies, the less desirous credit card companies and banks will be to do business with them (Visa/Mastercard loses money on a reversed charge; they spend the time processing the payment, refund, and dispute and don’t see a dime for any of it). Eventually, this will make it more difficult for scam companies to receive payments in the first place.
    nursingstudent78 Nov 15, 09, 12:52PM | #22
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    Excellent advise! Yes I have the M/C logo so I’ve sent an e-mail to my bank and will call them 1st thing tomorrow (they aren’t open on the weekends). I am very persistent and have a long-term, well established relationship with my bank, so I see no problem in getting my money back now, thanks to your advisement.. :) You are a genius!!
    nursingstudent78 Nov 15, 09, 12:54PM | #23
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    *advice
    lauraabc Nov 16, 09, 11:26AM | #24
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    do you know of any other site that is actually ligit??
    pheelyks Nov 16, 09, 02:06PM | #25

    Recommendations aren’t allowed on this forum.
    rustyironchains Nov 16, 09, 03:35PM | #26
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    have you all gone mad, or is it just that it’s the busy season, and none of you are real writers?

    as I am a writer stopping here as a break under my crushing workload, please let me ramble a bit.

    this is obviously one of those sweat-hog busybody customers that writers love to hate, and you’re practically kowtowing to them. why don’t you offer them an iced tea and a hamburger?

    the writer didn’t use contractions in an informal email on a tagline thread? boo hoo! what was the paper like? what was the paper like? …nothing.

    this is “one of those,” people! it’s the 5th revision with all new instructions! it’s the “I did it half myself already!” it’s the “I’m not satisifed with anything you did, because you forgot to put a page number in the quotes!” it’s “this essay, although it follows all of my instructions, is simply unsatisfactory…”

    no contractions or comma in an email, pssht. go **** yourself!

    what are you people, ******* blind?

    hey nursingstudent! I hope you get your identity stolen! you fraud.
    nursingstudent78 Nov 16, 09, 09:31PM | #27
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    Sounds like you’re used to complaints everyday, huh? You are very well versed in them, so looks like you must be.

    So, Mr. Supposed “professional” writer, you are telling me that when you send an e-mail/comment/post/whatever to a client that you do not even Attempt to use the skills that you were educated for? AT the VERY least he should of tried to make a good first impression seeing as how it was the FIRST contact I had with this writer. YOU NEVER GET A SECOND CHANCE TO MAKE A FIRST IMPRESSION…….Remember that Rusty. ;)….maybe you will improve YOUR customer satisfaction by keeping that in mind.

    Try it, I Promise it will work (it should also get that corn cob out that’s been stuck up your as*!)
    rustyironchains Nov 17, 09, 03:55PM | #28
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    nursingstudent– let me know when you’re working in the real world, and someone comes into the ER, and you don’t know what the **** you’re doing, because you cheated your way through nursing school. how do you live with yourself? believe me, if I ever need a corncob removed, you’ll be the last one I’ll have talking to me about that. every time I do a paper for a dumb *** nurse who is too busy, ignorant, lazy, or incomprehensible to do their own school work, I shudder and cross my fingers for karma to be kind.

    sorry, was that missing a comma?

    btw, grammarian, “mislead” is not the proper correct past form of the verb; it’s “misled.” you dumb ****. I’d pay to see the half paper you’ve written, in the same way I pay Netflix to send me South Park season 6.

    and when I write emails, it’s with the same speedy disregard for conventional rules of grammar and punctuation that everyone else uses, except for tools like you.

    you know what I think? I think you got scared and backed out.

    btw, I don’t get many complaints– I write a lot of papers. and when you write a lot of papers, you run into some real officious, crazy, dumb ***** like you, because they are a dime a dozen.
    nursingstudent78 Nov 17, 09, 05:39PM | #29
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    Why are you so disgruntled? I only assumed it was because you had a corn cob up your butt. It is obviously a much deeper problem than that.

    In regards to you pointing out my improper use of the word “mislead”, I openly admit that I am not a grammarian, so why would you even refer to me as one? DUH! Looks like you are the dumba** if that is the ONLY thing you could find wrong in ANY of my text. I’m sure there are many more errors, but I don’t think me being able to spell “misled” will affect my nursing skills; i also highly doubt me using a template to help me on an English Lit essay would affect those skills either. STUPID.

    If you would do your RESEARCH before you lash out at me you would see that I had an unforeseeable circumstance get in my way. Therefore getting help was completely justified, besides, you are ASSuming (pun intended for your slow brain) that I am a cheater when in fact I am not. You clearly have some moral issues; if you don’t like what you do for a living then do something else! Simple as that!

    PS..member what I said earlier cry baby, You never get a second chance to make a first impression!
    nursingstudent78 Nov 17, 09, 05:52PM | #30
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    Another thing I forgot to add….

    ANY email you send to a potential/existing client is and should be in a formal format. No if, ands, or butts about it! DUH you are a “Writer”. Get it? If not let me spell it out for you:

    Writer= writer

    If that is how you conduct your business, you know, carelessly (as you profess), then I can only feel sorry for you…..no, wait, not you! Your clients!
    rustyironchains Nov 17, 09, 10:33PM | #31
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    scared to proceed… you didn’t even read the paper. cold-footed and useless. I don’t care how many caps you use, pig, or if you use the lowercase i (it fits you somehow, because it makes you look retarded). I called you a grammarian because you are obviously so anal retentive about your writer’s email etiquette re: punctuation and contractions, that I figured you must be some kind of grammarian.

    anyway, the bottom line is, you didn’t even have a chance to drag some poor overworked writer over the edge during the height of busy season with your endless demands– and some shady ex Eastern Bloc internet gangsters got your credit card number, name, and who knows what else. who’s the dumb***, again?
    nursingstudent78 Nov 18, 09, 12:24AM | #32
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    rustyironchains:
    anyway, the bottom line is, you didn’t even have a chance to drag some poor overworked writer over the edge during the height of busy season

    Would that have been the better thing to do?

    rustyironchains:
    with your endless demands

    And that part of your sentence proves you delusional. What have I “endlessly demanded”? Umm nothing. I do demand, however, that you take a vacation. You need one CornCobBoy.

    rustyironchains:
    and some shady ex Eastern Bloc internet gangsters got your credit card number, name, and who knows what else. who’s the dumb***, again?

    And THAT one just reinforces my diagnosis of your delusional state. Did you forget to take your meds today CornCobBoy?? Or maybe you just need to buy a video and give yourself some stress relief *if you know what I mean*….Judging by your character, I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t have any other recourse.
    rustyironchains Nov 18, 09, 07:24AM | #33
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    you’re right– I do need to get laid, and I do need a vacation. what’s your excuse? here you are, a fake nurse who pays people to do their homework. those are the grounds you stand on. and you’re going to judge me? please.

    PS– nobody buys porn at stores anymore. if you’re going to use these 14 year old insults, at least try to stay current.
    nursingstudent78 Nov 18, 09, 03:04PM | #34
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    I don’t need an excuse..I’m not the one telling people “I hope you get your identity stolen! you fraud.” That was just downright mean. :( Sorry if I touched a soft spot on you, but you didn’t need to act like a 14 year old first!

    rustyironchains:
    a fake nurse who pays people to do their homework

    I’m not even a nurse, therefore, no chance of being fake or real. Never said I was. Or can’t you read the SN, CornCobBoy? That sentence didn’t even make sense anyway!! their=your??

    You are a hoot! LOL
    If you could read, you would see that I didn’t specify at a “store”. I just said buy a video. You know, download one! (I figured you probably couldn’t fit out your front door anymore)
    rustyironchains Nov 18, 09, 03:59PM | #35
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    come to think of it, that combination of foolishness and officiousness, and that lack of gratitude and bossiness… I should have known– a hospital administrator! that’s even worse…
    nursingstudent78 Nov 18, 09, 07:13PM | #36
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    Wrong again CornCob!! THAT is your comeback? *yawn* Now you are just boring me.
    Hey why this vendetta against me? Were you the writer that got shot down by me?

    If so, I deeply apologize; I feel really, really SORRY for your incompetent butt!

    Now shoo fly, don’t bother me.
    rustyironchains Nov 18, 09, 08:59PM | #37
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    have a nice life, cow.
    rustyironchains Nov 18, 09, 09:01PM | #38
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    I hope you choke on a ****.
    nursingstudent78 Nov 18, 09, 09:14PM | #39
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    rustyironchains:
    I hope you choke on a ****.

    I hope I do too, CornCob!
    J_richardson Dec 8, 09, 11:11AM | #40
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    Thanks God my friend told me about this web sute and I found are cheaters

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