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		<title>By: Brett Widmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett Widmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2010 02:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great article. Thanks for all the important tips!</description>
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		<title>By: Vikesh Patel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vikesh Patel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post. Coming from a print background, and then moving into web comment 5 makes some sense, print design seems to have less boundaries, and lets the designer be freer in their work. 
However I’ve found that recently web the inclusion of more complex flash and java web has become just as creative as print design. I think that paying attention to brand and target audience as you say is down to the designer rather than the particular field your working in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post. Coming from a print background, and then moving into web comment 5 makes some sense, print design seems to have less boundaries, and lets the designer be freer in their work.<br />
However I’ve found that recently web the inclusion of more complex flash and java web has become just as creative as print design. I think that paying attention to brand and target audience as you say is down to the designer rather than the particular field your working in.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Internet Briefing Blog / Wochenendsurf-Tour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 14:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] eine Zusammenfassung, um was geht es im Website Design. Passend dazu 7 Lektionen was Web-Designer von Print lernen und 7 Lektionen was Designer von Girls lernen. Um das eigene Wissen zu vertiefen, 30 Videos um [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] eine Zusammenfassung, um was geht es im Website Design. Passend dazu 7 Lektionen was Web-Designer von Print lernen und 7 Lektionen was Designer von Girls lernen. Um das eigene Wissen zu vertiefen, 30 Videos um [...]</p>
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		<title>By: beyondwords &#124; a blog for professional writers, editors, and designers &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 140+ Tweet Feed: May 1-7</title>
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		<dc:creator>beyondwords &#124; a blog for professional writers, editors, and designers &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 140+ Tweet Feed: May 1-7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 06:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lessons Web Designers Can Learn from Print: The Design Shack shows how thinking like a print designer can help you build websites with seven lessons that include the value of a good photograph and brevity in web copy. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Lessons Web Designers Can Learn from Print: The Design Shack shows how thinking like a print designer can help you build websites with seven lessons that include the value of a good photograph and brevity in web copy. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gaurav Mishra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaurav Mishra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 05:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As summing up in one line 
&quot;It takes a good memorable laugh to connect with the brand&quot;.
Nice article. Worth to read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As summing up in one line<br />
&#8220;It takes a good memorable laugh to connect with the brand&#8221;.<br />
Nice article. Worth to read.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Støver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander Støver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 12:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I pretty much agree with everything Mr. Fienen wrote. It&#039;s a worthwhile read but the angle is a bit off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pretty much agree with everything Mr. Fienen wrote. It&#8217;s a worthwhile read but the angle is a bit off.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 19:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with Print Designers who think they can design a website is that they assume too much about the look and feel and spend very little time thinking about the interface and user interactions. This article couldn&#039;t be more ignorant on the importance of the look of a site over it&#039;s functionality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with Print Designers who think they can design a website is that they assume too much about the look and feel and spend very little time thinking about the interface and user interactions. This article couldn&#8217;t be more ignorant on the importance of the look of a site over it&#8217;s functionality.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Fienen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Fienen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 16:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say, I really disagree with a lot of this. Not because it&#039;s wrong, but because these things AREN&#039;T issues for good web designers, and are equally issues for bad print designers. For instance:

1: A good web designer will be ALL about the brand (though I would argue that&#039;s not brand at all, but rather corporate/product identity, but that&#039;s another argument). Issues with brand considerations are no more a problem for a good web designer than they are a good print designer, and a bad print designer will have just as much likelihood to have problems as a bad web designer.

2: Same here. When I work with or talk with other designers, one of the top questions they&#039;ll ask is who the site is targeting and why, and if it&#039;s desired to attract others and how to do all that. Audiences are enormously important to us, and I&#039;ve worked with more than a couple print designers that haven&#039;t even given it a second thought.

3: Every good web writer (because really, content strategy isn&#039;t the responsibility of the designer), and I mean EVERY, will tell you less is more. People don&#039;t read web sites, they scan. The less there is to scan, the more likely they are to see what you want them to. This is a well established principle in web.

4: I don&#039;t get one of your examples here. The fireworks ad looks like a dandelion, that&#039;s the first thing I thought of, not a sucker. And ever after being told a it&#039;s a sucker, I don&#039;t buy it. That&#039;s not clever, it&#039;s confusing. It goes to show that being clever isn&#039;t always a component of the designer, but can be driven by ideas from other members of your team, but that requires you to have a robust team, print, web, regardless. And it&#039;s hard to be clever all the time. I&#039;d never say either web or print people are more creative or clever than the other.

And the rest of the points go on exactly this same way. Reading the post, it feels more like you&#039;ve never worked with a real web design team, but rather the kid in the basement next door that did a site for your cousin once. The issues addressed here aren&#039;t &quot;things web should learn from print,&quot; they are things good designers and marketers of all trades should know, and frequently do, if they are good at what they do. Treating it otherwise feels disingenuous, as if you&#039;re saying print doesn&#039;t have problems with these things, when it absolutely DOES and that web is inferior to print in these areas, which it&#039;s definitely NOT. The main reason that this is perceived as a web problem is because there are more amateurs in web than there are in print. We can&#039;t change that. We&#039;re also quick to say that web isn&#039;t print, and many people don&#039;t get that, and attempt to push print principles (a couple noted in comments above) to the web without much consideration. They are completely different disciplines, that share some terminology. It&#039;s hard to say &quot;web should learn how to do better at this from print.&quot; What should be said is &quot;web should learn how to do better at this.&quot; No qualifier.

I&#039;d almost go so far as to say you need to reverse this article, and make it about what print can learn from web. The student has quickly become the teacher, and the print medium (especially advertising) is one that is in the beginnings of a number of crises that ultimately threaten its livelihood, as it&#039;s abandoned for the web.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say, I really disagree with a lot of this. Not because it&#8217;s wrong, but because these things AREN&#8217;T issues for good web designers, and are equally issues for bad print designers. For instance:</p>
<p>1: A good web designer will be ALL about the brand (though I would argue that&#8217;s not brand at all, but rather corporate/product identity, but that&#8217;s another argument). Issues with brand considerations are no more a problem for a good web designer than they are a good print designer, and a bad print designer will have just as much likelihood to have problems as a bad web designer.</p>
<p>2: Same here. When I work with or talk with other designers, one of the top questions they&#8217;ll ask is who the site is targeting and why, and if it&#8217;s desired to attract others and how to do all that. Audiences are enormously important to us, and I&#8217;ve worked with more than a couple print designers that haven&#8217;t even given it a second thought.</p>
<p>3: Every good web writer (because really, content strategy isn&#8217;t the responsibility of the designer), and I mean EVERY, will tell you less is more. People don&#8217;t read web sites, they scan. The less there is to scan, the more likely they are to see what you want them to. This is a well established principle in web.</p>
<p>4: I don&#8217;t get one of your examples here. The fireworks ad looks like a dandelion, that&#8217;s the first thing I thought of, not a sucker. And ever after being told a it&#8217;s a sucker, I don&#8217;t buy it. That&#8217;s not clever, it&#8217;s confusing. It goes to show that being clever isn&#8217;t always a component of the designer, but can be driven by ideas from other members of your team, but that requires you to have a robust team, print, web, regardless. And it&#8217;s hard to be clever all the time. I&#8217;d never say either web or print people are more creative or clever than the other.</p>
<p>And the rest of the points go on exactly this same way. Reading the post, it feels more like you&#8217;ve never worked with a real web design team, but rather the kid in the basement next door that did a site for your cousin once. The issues addressed here aren&#8217;t &#8220;things web should learn from print,&#8221; they are things good designers and marketers of all trades should know, and frequently do, if they are good at what they do. Treating it otherwise feels disingenuous, as if you&#8217;re saying print doesn&#8217;t have problems with these things, when it absolutely DOES and that web is inferior to print in these areas, which it&#8217;s definitely NOT. The main reason that this is perceived as a web problem is because there are more amateurs in web than there are in print. We can&#8217;t change that. We&#8217;re also quick to say that web isn&#8217;t print, and many people don&#8217;t get that, and attempt to push print principles (a couple noted in comments above) to the web without much consideration. They are completely different disciplines, that share some terminology. It&#8217;s hard to say &#8220;web should learn how to do better at this from print.&#8221; What should be said is &#8220;web should learn how to do better at this.&#8221; No qualifier.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d almost go so far as to say you need to reverse this article, and make it about what print can learn from web. The student has quickly become the teacher, and the print medium (especially advertising) is one that is in the beginnings of a number of crises that ultimately threaten its livelihood, as it&#8217;s abandoned for the web.</p>
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		<title>By: dustin</title>
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		<dc:creator>dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 16:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kind of insulting to those who have spent a good deal of their lives studying interaction design.  most of these points focus on the look of a website.  which is exactly how i would expect a graphic designer to approach an interactive piece.  problem is, that is a very small part of what actually makes a website useful.  can we talk about usability?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kind of insulting to those who have spent a good deal of their lives studying interaction design.  most of these points focus on the look of a website.  which is exactly how i would expect a graphic designer to approach an interactive piece.  problem is, that is a very small part of what actually makes a website useful.  can we talk about usability?</p>
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		<title>By: onur</title>
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		<dc:creator>onur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 15:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very useful article for web deigners ;-) tnk u!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very useful article for web deigners ;-) tnk u!</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Tubridy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Tubridy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 12:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are all good points but really #6 bothers me. What you&#039;ve suggested is the equivalent of saying &quot;Head over to Template Monster and get yourself a nice template if you are going to make yourself a website&quot;.

And why do you recommend taking your own shots? Do you assume that just because you&#039;re a designer, you&#039;re a good photographer? I think this whole &quot;good enough&quot; attitude we take toward photography (and copywriting) is a bit hypocritical as designers, when we shun amateurs with Photoshop who think they are designers.

Instead of taking the photo yourself or heading over to Flickr or some stock site, pay an actual photographer to take a good, unique photo if the budget allows. Too many people fancy themselves photographers these days just because digital is cheap and cameras have easy-to-use auto settings. And do you really want the same stock photo used by countless others?

Sure, hiring a good photographer can be expensive, but if your design is relying on one image, isn&#039;t important that it&#039;s a great one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are all good points but really #6 bothers me. What you&#8217;ve suggested is the equivalent of saying &#8220;Head over to Template Monster and get yourself a nice template if you are going to make yourself a website&#8221;.</p>
<p>And why do you recommend taking your own shots? Do you assume that just because you&#8217;re a designer, you&#8217;re a good photographer? I think this whole &#8220;good enough&#8221; attitude we take toward photography (and copywriting) is a bit hypocritical as designers, when we shun amateurs with Photoshop who think they are designers.</p>
<p>Instead of taking the photo yourself or heading over to Flickr or some stock site, pay an actual photographer to take a good, unique photo if the budget allows. Too many people fancy themselves photographers these days just because digital is cheap and cameras have easy-to-use auto settings. And do you really want the same stock photo used by countless others?</p>
<p>Sure, hiring a good photographer can be expensive, but if your design is relying on one image, isn&#8217;t important that it&#8217;s a great one?</p>
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		<title>By: Hasan Tayanc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hasan Tayanc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 11:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 10:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other hand, people with a background in print tend to transfer those limitations onto the web. For example, I had a client who absolutely insisted on A4 sheet shaped pages, bordered by a thin line, with a ginormous background that wasn&#039;t tileable. Try to make content flexible and  dynamic inside an iron box.. Not exactly easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, people with a background in print tend to transfer those limitations onto the web. For example, I had a client who absolutely insisted on A4 sheet shaped pages, bordered by a thin line, with a ginormous background that wasn&#8217;t tileable. Try to make content flexible and  dynamic inside an iron box.. Not exactly easy.</p>
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		<dc:creator>jashim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 10:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read nice article, i really enjoyed this article.
Thanx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read nice article, i really enjoyed this article.<br />
Thanx</p>
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		<title>By: koris.com web design</title>
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		<dc:creator>koris.com web design</dc:creator>
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		<description>very useful article for web deigners ;-) tnk u!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very useful article for web deigners ;-) tnk u!</p>
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